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gobler Novice
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 30 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: Vac forming supplies |
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I did not see a thread for places to get supplies. This is a place that I used to go to get the thermal plastics for the shops. They deliver and there is no minimum.
http://www.gavrieli.com/index.htm
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Jeff _________________ Hey, how hot does this plastic get?.....Holly JEEEZZ it burns!!!! |
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jegner Site Admin
Joined: 30 May 2003 Posts: 2144 Location: Texas, USA
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gobler Novice
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 30 Location: So Cal
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Stomper Master
Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 473 Location: Woodburn, Oregon USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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WOW, those MUST be the newest models from Robinare, I've never seen them, and believe me, I check out all the pumps sitting on the sales floor of the 5-6 HVAC vendor/suppliers almost on a daily basis!
Nice looking pump... no idea on how they perform, but Robinaire is GOOD STUFF! _________________ Tony Krewson
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gobler Novice
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 30 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Hey Stomper, is a Refco a good brand? Perhaps you could list brands to run from and a few solid brands since I, and perhaps most here know nothing about pumps.
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Jeff _________________ Hey, how hot does this plastic get?.....Holly JEEEZZ it burns!!!! |
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Stomper Master
Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 473 Location: Woodburn, Oregon USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Can't say on the Refco... never heard of it (at least don't remember if I have), but Robinaire and J/B are the main vac-pumps used in the HVAC industry around here (Pacific NW). I have never had one single problem with either of those brands....ever. _________________ Tony Krewson
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gobler Novice
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 30 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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That's what I needed to hear..err..read. Yeah I'm going for the Robinair, after what I read in the other thread I'm exited. I may even buy two. One for my Vac table and the other for my degasser.
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Jeff _________________ Hey, how hot does this plastic get?.....Holly JEEEZZ it burns!!!! |
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Stomper Master
Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 473 Location: Woodburn, Oregon USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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LOL... try using "Bean-O" for your "degassing needs"!!
You know, that Robinaire may do just fine as "double-duty", they already come with an inlet "T" so you can hook more than one hose at a time to it. All you really need is 3/8" refrigeration hoses that are EASY to obtain, and they come in various lengths, plus they are TOTALLY hand-carry portable... like a battery charger, or heavy tool bag.
I'm wanting to build a vac-chamber for degassing as well. I'm aspiring to more complicated molds and I can see the proverbial writing on the wall that one will be necessary to properly do what I intend. I'm thinking of a 2'(H) x 2'(D) x 4'(L) chamber for doing "long-guns". I think 3/4" thick clear acrylic epoxied together in a box-type construction/configuration will do it. Then I can just use self-adhesive rubber gasket material to make the seal on the top lid. I need clear material so I can see the "magic" happening! _________________ Tony Krewson
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cod Master
Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Posts: 322 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Stomper wrote: | LOL... try using "Bean-O" for your "degassing needs"!!
You know, that Robinaire may do just fine as "double-duty",
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Stomper,
I'm using a Robinair 15600
Could you discuss the '2-stage' aspect of these pumps? Is this second stage something that kicks in automatically ? What is this feature ? I took my pump up to 20" and it started to act funny- jumping around and stuttering. . I haven't used it since. I may have gotten a piece of some sediment in there(hope it dint screw up my pump!- inlet filters are on the way).
in the meantime , I'm wondering if maybe it was just kicking into a 'second stage' and I got scared .....
any insight parecc..
cod _________________ <.o'> |
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Stomper Master
Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 473 Location: Woodburn, Oregon USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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cod wrote: | Stomper wrote: | LOL... try using "Bean-O" for your "degassing needs"!!
You know, that Robinaire may do just fine as "double-duty",
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Stomper,
I'm using a Robinair 15600
Could you discuss the '2-stage' aspect of these pumps? Is this second stage something that kicks in automatically ? What is this feature ? I took my pump up to 20" and it started to act funny- jumping around and stuttering. . I haven't used it since. I may have gotten a piece of some sediment in there(hope it dint screw up my pump!- inlet filters are on the way).
in the meantime , I'm wondering if maybe it was just kicking into a 'second stage' and I got scared .....
any insight parecc..
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2nd stage refers to the point at which the pump starts pulling vacuum at the deeper levels, and yes it's an automatic thing. About that thing stuttering and jumping around... you mean like "bucking like a bronco" jumping? I know that when you start to pull a deeper vacuum that the sound will change a bit, but I've never had one sputter and jump around at 20" Hg, only a couple times on start-up when the ambient temperature was cold have I ever had anything remotely close to what you describe, and then it smooths out after a about a second or so.
I'd say make sure you put in FRESH vacuum pump oil... empty out the old stuff first through the bottom drain! I fill my reservoir just slightly below the fill line (slightly less than halfway up the front sight glass.
Hope that helps! _________________ Tony Krewson
FEAR... is not my god!!
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cod Master
Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Posts: 322 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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thanks tony.
I had bought the pump refurbished, emptied of oil for shipping. I filled it up fresh myself, so no issue there. It's at the fill line. Maybe I added too much oil ? I took it to the line, ... though I think the directions asked for a bit less than the line, when running.
yes, the weird thing was it was bucking wildly. I ran it again soon after and it seemed fine.
I still picture a chunk of tank rust, gouging the rotary vane, but I have to run the pump again to see if it was only a momentary problem.
Got 4 filters in the mail, need 1/2" fittings.
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Stomper Master
Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 473 Location: Woodburn, Oregon USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Cool, let us know how it pans out! _________________ Tony Krewson
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jegner Site Admin
Joined: 30 May 2003 Posts: 2144 Location: Texas, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Great info Tony, thanks!
I still have the pump and accessories I got from you, an inline filter, valves, and a 28 gallon tank. Now, I just need a few more suppllies, like elbows, and pipe, and I should be good to go-hi-vac. I like the way Charlie has the ability to change from shop-vac to hi-vac. I need to try that.
My Robinair I got from Tony runs great. But after looking at this thread, I may have too much oil in mine. hmmm. |
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gobler Novice
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 30 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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I read on another thread about using perforated metal for the breadboard. Here is a place that sells all kinds of perforated metal sheets. http://www.mcnichols.com/products/perforated/round/roundhole/
I requested a quote from them for this:
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Class: Round Hole
Major Material: Plain Steel
Minor Material: Cold Rolled
Gauge (Thickness): 16
Hole Size: 1/8"
Hole Centers: 1/4"
Hole Pattern: Staggered
% Open Area: 23%
Straight Rows Parallel To: Length
Margins Parallel to Length: Min Safe Both Sides
Margins Parallel to Width: Sheared Through
End Pattern: None
Surface Finish: Mill
SKU Type: Sheet
Width: 48"
Length (Span for Grating): 120"
Piece 1: Width: 25 Length: 25 Quantity: 1 |
I'll let you know how much when I find out.
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Jeff _________________ Hey, how hot does this plastic get?.....Holly JEEEZZ it burns!!!! |
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jegner Site Admin
Joined: 30 May 2003 Posts: 2144 Location: Texas, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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I know the perff brass like the ones used on the TOS Star TRek communicators was like $300 a 4x8 foot sheet. I hope this stuff is more affordable.
Jim |
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