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dbc1218 Newbie
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: Cleaning up after making a mess |
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Some of you might have seen my former a while back on this site http://www.instructables.com/id/S99X59OF3JEUCR7/
I want to rebuild it to an over/under design so I need to clean the melted plastic off the nichrome wire. Should I just hook it back up and let the plastic melt off or is there a better way? |
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TK 109 Guru
Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 712 Location: Galena, Ohio
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: |
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hmm...
i say, melt the plastic off the coils, just set it outside on a warm day, and pick off the melted bits off the oven floor. or you could replace the nichrome... _________________ -Alex
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cod Master
Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Posts: 322 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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it wouldn't hurt to try and melt it off I say. what kind of plastic are we talking about here ? PETG will produce little or no toxic fumes. not so sure about others. _________________ <.o'> |
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AlterEgos Expert
Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 115 Location: Centreville, VA
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:44 am Post subject: |
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I have to agree with TK and Cod. The best way to get the plastic off without damaging the wire is letting it melt. It may take a while or even a few melting sessions to get it all, but I don't think disturbing the wire is a good idea unless you're willing to replace it.
Just be sure to do it outdoors, since styrene and ABS emit some serious fumes as it burns/melts. _________________ -John |
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dbc1218 Newbie
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I ended up taking the coils off and burning the styrene off with a lighter. It worked pretty well but it needs to be done outside, this makes a lot smoke and soot. I've almost finished the new over/under former and will be posting it on the instructables website. |
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TK 109 Guru
Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 712 Location: Galena, Ohio
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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that'll do it!
yeah, stuff smells when it's burning... _________________ -Alex
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jegner Site Admin
Joined: 30 May 2003 Posts: 2144 Location: Texas, USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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I think that everyone who home vacuum forms, will at some point, melt some plastic. Part of the process. I just let my coils burn off the plastic, then scraped with a putty knife the residue from the oven floor. My ceramic posts got the worst of it, and I had to take the oven apart to get them clean. Mostly scraping with the putty knife. The coils were fine, still going strong! I've had a couple of close calls since. but a 1 minute timer really helps me keep an eye on things. I found an old dark room timer, and it works great.
As for the flip flop design. very similar to my mark I version. It did something similar. Problem with that design, the plastic droops right onto the coils. A deeper oven box really helps. You may not need to re build the whole thing. Just ad 6 inches to the top of the oven, and remake the hinge.
Just some thoughts.
Jim |
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mnttech Novice
Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 34 Location: Aurora Colorado
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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jegner wrote: | You may not need to re build the whole thing. Just ad 6 inches to the top of the oven, and remake the hinge. | Jim,
If you raise the hinges, do you have to raise the vacuum platform too?
I understand the idea behind adding 4 to 6 inches to the oven top, I have been thinking about it myself. But on my oven, I don't think the plastic would lay down flat on the platform if I don't raise it too.
Thanks! _________________ Never force anything, always get the bigger hammer. |
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TK 109 Guru
Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 712 Location: Galena, Ohio
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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hey jim,
i haven't toasted any plastic on my coils yet! i think i'll go out and do that now... (JK)
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Fredo Master
Joined: 21 Mar 2007 Posts: 251 Location: Kingdom of Nye Area 51
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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mnttech, Maybe you could lower your oven the same amount you raise the sides of the oven then nothing would change in relationship to the frame and platen.?........................Fredo |
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mnttech Novice
Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 34 Location: Aurora Colorado
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Fredo,
Nice thought, but the oven sits on a metal frame, and I still have not figured out how to weld yet. Thanks for the input. _________________ Never force anything, always get the bigger hammer. |
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jegner Site Admin
Joined: 30 May 2003 Posts: 2144 Location: Texas, USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Take a look at this design. It was found some years ago on the net, but the link no longer works. This was the design I first used for my mark I model.
http://members.aol.com/KMyersEFO/vacuum.htm%20 [link no longer works]
But here is a copy of the image from that site.
Take note of how the oven and the platen are on different levels. Maybe this will fix your problem, and was what I was thinking. A better idea is to lower the oven as oppose to raising the frame. |
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AlterEgos Expert
Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 115 Location: Centreville, VA
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: |
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Like TK 109, I have yet to make styrene flambe' either.
The trick is to watch your plastic like a hawk while it's heating up. My frame doesn't sit exactly flush with the oven top, so I have about a 1/4" gap near the rear that allows me to view the plastic as it sags.
I also have a temperature controller, so when the plastic sags really fast (due to the oven being on for a long period of time) I can lower the heat setting to compensate. _________________ -John |
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