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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Cleaning up after making a mess Reply with quote

Some of you might have seen my former a while back on this site http://www.instructables.com/id/S99X59OF3JEUCR7/
I want to rebuild it to an over/under design so I need to clean the melted plastic off the nichrome wire. Should I just hook it back up and let the plastic melt off or is there a better way?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm...

i say, melt the plastic off the coils, just set it outside on a warm day, and pick off the melted bits off the oven floor. or you could replace the nichrome...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it wouldn't hurt to try and melt it off I say. what kind of plastic are we talking about here ? PETG will produce little or no toxic fumes. not so sure about others.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with TK and Cod. The best way to get the plastic off without damaging the wire is letting it melt. It may take a while or even a few melting sessions to get it all, but I don't think disturbing the wire is a good idea unless you're willing to replace it.

Just be sure to do it outdoors, since styrene and ABS emit some serious fumes as it burns/melts. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ended up taking the coils off and burning the styrene off with a lighter. It worked pretty well but it needs to be done outside, this makes a lot smoke and soot. I've almost finished the new over/under former and will be posting it on the instructables website.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that'll do it! Very Happy

yeah, stuff smells when it's burning... Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that everyone who home vacuum forms, will at some point, melt some plastic. Part of the process. I just let my coils burn off the plastic, then scraped with a putty knife the residue from the oven floor. My ceramic posts got the worst of it, and I had to take the oven apart to get them clean. Mostly scraping with the putty knife. The coils were fine, still going strong! I've had a couple of close calls since. but a 1 minute timer really helps me keep an eye on things. I found an old dark room timer, and it works great.

As for the flip flop design. very similar to my mark I version. It did something similar. Problem with that design, the plastic droops right onto the coils. A deeper oven box really helps. You may not need to re build the whole thing. Just ad 6 inches to the top of the oven, and remake the hinge.

Just some thoughts.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jegner wrote:
You may not need to re build the whole thing. Just ad 6 inches to the top of the oven, and remake the hinge.
Jim,
If you raise the hinges, do you have to raise the vacuum platform too?

I understand the idea behind adding 4 to 6 inches to the oven top, I have been thinking about it myself. But on my oven, I don't think the plastic would lay down flat on the platform if I don't raise it too.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey jim,

i haven't toasted any plastic on my coils yet! i think i'll go out and do that now... (JK)

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnttech, Maybe you could lower your oven the same amount you raise the sides of the oven then nothing would change in relationship to the frame and platen.?........................Fredo
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fredo,
Nice thought, but the oven sits on a metal frame, and I still have not figured out how to weld yet. Thanks for the input.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at this design. It was found some years ago on the net, but the link no longer works. This was the design I first used for my mark I model.

http://members.aol.com/KMyersEFO/vacuum.htm%20 [link no longer works]

But here is a copy of the image from that site.

Take note of how the oven and the platen are on different levels. Maybe this will fix your problem, and was what I was thinking. A better idea is to lower the oven as oppose to raising the frame.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like TK 109, I have yet to make styrene flambe' either. Very Happy

The trick is to watch your plastic like a hawk while it's heating up. My frame doesn't sit exactly flush with the oven top, so I have about a 1/4" gap near the rear that allows me to view the plastic as it sags.

I also have a temperature controller, so when the plastic sags really fast (due to the oven being on for a long period of time) I can lower the heat setting to compensate. Wink
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